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How in the world am I supposed to gear?

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Cataclysm is upon us and we're all working our butts off to prepare.  Last night I'm happy to announce that we were successful in downing the Omnotron Defense System in Blackwing Depths.  Despite this success, there's been a common theme that I've noticed lately in guild chat and I feel like it's important to address this.  I am hearing a common trend from guildies and in the interest of trying to clarify a few things, I wanted to answer two questions that the officer core has been receiving lately.

We don't have enough tanks

Honestly, I could go and recruit 5 tanks within a week if I wanted.  This is a matter of ratios.  To raid 25 man dungeons you need 3 tanks.  That means we have a 1:8 tank to non tank ratio.  Typically we run 6-7 healers in new content which means a 1:2 tank to healer ratio.  If we go and recruit tanks, I'm going to have 5 pissed off tanks.  This is a perfect example of why tanks rule the random dungeon queue.  In the past this wasn't as much of an issue because we had numerous level 80 alts.  Yes it's a huge pain in the butt.  My recommendation would be to hang out in Ventrilo more.


The officer's only run with the same people

This is partially true.  We're trying to gear our characters just as fast as the next person.  What's overlooked is why are those people that aren't officers always running with the officers?  It really boils down to communication.  I play this game for the social element.  Sure I can go play my console and play great rpgs but I enjoy working as a team.  Because I personally strive to play at a high level, communication is very important to me.  Thus when I'm forming a group 9/10, it's created in Ventrilo.  Usually it goes something like this…

<Me> Anyone want to run a random?
<Yadomaru> I'll heal it
<Zadonious> I need my random still I'm down to tank
<Kazzandra> I'll come with
<Icurus> I'll come and kill stuff

If we don't fill from that, I'll usually ask guild chat.  It builds group synergy, it means the tank knows Yadomaru's threshold for healing, How Kazzandra will CC a mob and when how to pull accordingly.  It means that Yadomaru knows I'll throw up tranquility as necessary.  Down the road, this has an effect when it comes time to run a 10 man raid on the first week of release.   We know where everyone's gear is at.  We know how each other think.  If you were intent on downing content, do you bring a random member that could be a wild card or do you bring the people you worked to gear with?

Raid teams are built on trust.  When I assemble a raid team I look at who I can trust to fill that role.  If I'm choosing tanks, it's the ones that are most able and willing to listen to more than what they believe is the best method.  It's the people that don't randomly quit when pulls aren't going well and not have the courtesy to say they've had enough.  It's the people that will show up with gems, flasks, and food if need be because the want to clear that content.  

I'd love for everyone in the guild to be included, unfortunately, we have no room to carry someone with a lower iLevel.  Yes,  iLevel/Gearscore/etc does not dictate skill however it does dictate potential.  In the beta, pre-made characters were given 346 iLevel gear and we have 2 people that meet that criteria.  To down this content, we need every player in the raid to bring it.  That means not complaining about enchanting a green.  It means enchanting it because you want to be part of that team.  It means spending the money on gems for gear you'll replace in a week.  It means researching your class and knowing how to itemize it perfectly.  Some people will respond with "I don't have those resources" or "I don't have the time to spend to prepare my character".  If that's the case, you shouldn't be asking to raid with the progression 10 man group.

We have never intended to create an inner circle.  We ran 16 raiders total on our first day working on the Tron council  The following days, we kept people from that group because we knew they knew the fight.  The exception was bringing in Afrey last night.  He came in, watched the stream beforehand, asked a couple questions and we downed the boss in 2 pulls.  He did his research and was prepared.  Preparation and execution is key to our success.  If you want to be one of these people, come into Ventrilo, be social and you'll see an entirely different side of this guild.

Comments

  • #1

    YOU GUYS DOWNED IT!??!?! D: My friend was having a fight with her boyfriend and I had cheering up duty. Blah. But I did buy and decorate a tiny 4' Christmas tree. It's shorter than I am :D

    P.S. It might say Codexx up there but this is Gneisha. Stupid thing.

    Last edited by Gneisha on 12/16/2010 8:29:06 PM
  • #2

    A few other thoughts -

    I saw very similar concerns when BC first launched.  People have different  RL commitments that cause some of us to level slower and create a feeling of being left behind as you see guildies in heroic gear or downing 10m content.  Frustration is created as seems harder for the later people to get geared for raiding.

    What I think some people miss is the 10+ hours Yado or Icarus spent in mostly pugs wiping to get their very first piece of heroic gear.  Those of us who level later won't have as high of a curve (and only have to spend 2 hrs wiping HA!).   But bottom line is heroics are painful whether they are an all guild run or not.  Doing them without vent is even more painful.  They are hard and you will wipe until we all get more geared.

    I can only say from past experience it all levels out.  A few weeks might seem like a lifetime at this point, but by januray I'm sure the majority of the guild in 346 ilvl+ gear. 

    Raiding gear should also be coming from crafted & rep gear.  So farm your ass off and get guildies to make them for you if you dont have a crafting prof yourself.   We have a ton of people who dropped a fortune to get our profs maxxed and can make epic gear, trinkets, etc.  Take advantage of it.  Get exalted with every faction by completing all quests in those zones while waiting in dungeon queues if need be. 

    All that will help and that's how CB will be ready for 25mans sooner rather than later.   :)

     

  • #3

    Well, I really want a good raiding spot so I can progress and get gear :) So, I guess I'll have to man up and sit in vent.  I'm pretty much always free on weeknights :D im busy on some saturdays/sundays, but so is everyone else. I'll clear my schedule for purples though >:D

  • #4

    I love the vent thing I hate typing! Just had a ton of people over the last week so had to pay attention to them. See you all in vent soon.

  • #5

    Look at you Vishin :] I'm so proud of you! When I level Shreya up, help me run regulars to gear her and I'll do my BEST at tanking heroics for the guild.

  • #6

    When I read this I can't help but think that something prompted it. My immediate assumption is that people feel left out, and have voiced such.

    I can't help but wonder if it's not my place to speak ... though I suppose that since that has never stopped me before it's best to avoid setting a bad precedent.

    This is the sort of thing that I had to deal with a bunch back in the day, because I ran a guild that was more centred on community than progress. I love me a fun crew something fierce, in fact it's the main reason that I've made the choice to be here. In the old guild we had the gamut of players running from the best of the best all the way down to "what do you mean I can turn with the mouse?", and the problem that I had to face is that everyone wanted to be part of the guild's progress. Well and good, but not everyone understood the distinction between rowing and riding. I feel compelled to warn against the fact that constantly putting your own success on another person's shoulders will invariably either drive that person insane or make them hate you in the due course of time.

    I'm going to be as straightforward/blunt as I can without going the usual route of being deliberately offensive, which is a shame, 'cause I got a great line for this situation that is TRULY offensive : in WoW as in basic social theory if you want to be part of "the group" then offer value to the group. It sounds extremely callous to say it that way, but it's only very rarely untrue.

    See the thing is, you can always get gear. Seems a whole pile of folk never realize this, but if you just put all your effort into learning how to make groups work better with the abilities your character has and look to surround yourself with people of similar drive that you enjoy being around, the gear thing just sorts itself out while you're not really paying attention. The old platitude about how if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem (or the precipitate, if you're a science nerd) has a grain of truth to it. Think to yourself, honestly now, when other people think of you in the context of an instance, do they think you make the run better or worse? Try to be the person for whom the answer is always "better".

    The social thing is also ridiculously important. Like it or not, this is a community, and you are setting yourself up for a metric shit ton of misery if you neither recognize that nor adhere to the standards of acceptability of your community. Be aware of social theory, as what works and fails in real life is largely true online as well. Trust me on this, I am fully aware that I come off as an obnoxious asshole online (though in fairness this is because I'm an obnoxious asshole in real life) but at the end of the day I'm a human being craving social contact so I place a premium on finding communities that have tolerance for obnoxious assholes, and I try to value them highly.

    Lastly, on the social note, if you have any sisters/cousins/friends etc. that are female, fun, attractive, athletic, single, sexually adventurous and American citizens, or if you yourself qualify for this description, I am prepared to offer a number of services in exchange for a Green Card marriage.

    Last edited by Clouter on 12/19/2010 2:36:06 AM

    Spreadin' my dirty love to the world baby!

    "Sure, come by my place later, and wear something easy to take off."
    -VD

  • #7

    Vee Dee - are you admitting that america > canada??? 

    PS - and well put!!

  • #8

    Economically yes, culturally no ;)

    Spreadin' my dirty love to the world baby!

    "Sure, come by my place later, and wear something easy to take off."
    -VD

  • #9

    Sexually adventurous lol

    Well, I'm female, TONS OF FUN, can't cook, kinda cute, can't do normal people things like chores and going places by myself, definitely not athletic, and a bit of a bitch. Also, taken. ;P

    Also, all my friends are not athletic. So that's a bust for you here :)